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yogahelps
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Hi everybody. I gather the intention of this thread is for users to gain some insight into the various kinds of treatment available for eating disorders so here goes with my d's story, which I hope is helpful. I first realised something was wrong around 19 months ago when I found my d's school packed lunches putrefying in a bathroom cupboard. D was 14 then. I had known d was trying to lose weight but had thought she was going about it sensibly including me giving her lighter school lunches and going jogging with her occasionally. D admitted she had started to take things too far but said that was enough now so she'd stop. At that stage I went alone to discuss my worries with our GP who told me to observe but not nag, so a couple of months went by with things seemingly steady. Then d went into exam mode and started to look exhausted and dressed heavily in hoodies and trackies at home but seemed to be eating normally. Til one day I found her throwing her breakfast down the waste disposal at which point I made her get on the scales and was horrified by how low her weight was. The good thing for us looking back was that d told me immediately she'd been eating normally in front of us, but hardly at all when we weren't around, and she's purged whenever she could. The biggest horror was that d then announced that now it was out in the open she didn't want to purge so would just eat far less instead, and we'd have to live with her decision. So I took her straight to the GP who referred her immediately to our local Camhs (Child and adolescent mental health services).
I had been told by another mum that you can wait several weeks for an appointment so I decided to take the letter into camhs myself and literally wept at the desk begging for a fast appointment, which we got 3 days later.
The first appointment was a family meeting with the head psychiatrist and the nutritionist for assessment. The prescribed treatment at that stage was that d should have a few sessions with the nutritionist in the hope that would turn things around. Unfortunately d refused to engage with the nutritionist and her weight went lower. After a few weeks we asked that d be given someone other than the nutritionist to speak to one to one, and they agreed she could see the Cognitive Behavioural Therapist. Meanwhile d's behaviour at mealtimes had become increasingly worse; she would scream and cry for at least an hour after every meal whilst her weight decreased further, and camhs told me she was getting very close to the point where they would want to admit her. Camhs explained they would send us extra help in the meantime in the form of the home crisis team, who would supervise mealtimes and help d through the post-meal stress, thus giving us a break. Really that is when d decided to take the first step to maintaining weight. I felt it was the first time d took it all seriously and realised the summer she had planned was about to evaporate into a stay in and edu.
So about this time last year d's weight stabilised and she continued with the CBT and still regular visits from the home crisis team which seemed to then help d take the decision to try to restore some weight. By the end of the summer holidays things seemed to be on a much better trajectory, the crisis team were taken off the case and d continued with the CBT. I should add that we had gotten rid of the scales at home from the start and the CBT took over the weighing every week. However d made it very clear at that stage she didn't want to gain any more weight and things stayed pretty steady until the end of the year when she started to gain a bit more. Her periods had stopped almost as soon as she went to camhs and then over the Xmas holidays she had a period again. Everyone except d were delighted about this and she proceeded to restrict again to keep her weight just below where the period had returned.
After new year the CBT left camhs and was assigned a general psychiatrist instead for weekly weighing and psychotherapy. After a couple of months d's general mood definitely took a turn for the better, she became much more sociable and seemed to be having a good time and I felt it should only be a matter of time until she decided to take that next step to getting her periods back. Not so far! Another 4 months have gone by with d sticking at the same weight.
However, my d and I talk a lot, which has been a great help through all this, and she started telling me exactly how badly she feels about her body and that she had heard that body image therapy and group therapies might help her with this. After discussion with camhs it became clear that they don't have the specialist resource to be able to offer d such intensive therapy so I did my own research and came up with a private edu who offer bespoke day patient treatment. So over the summer holidays d is to be treated there as day patient, thankfully covered by our health insurance, in the hope that d can be given the tools to start to make a full recovery.
We are keeping our camhs very much in the loop since I am very aware that this may not yield the result we desire and the insurance money could run dry, so we want to keep on the nhs books. Camhs have assured me of that ongoing support and are intrigued to see what the private treatment brings.
I will add that throughout the horrendous journey, d has managed to stay in school full time, take her GCSEs, do work experience, go on holidays and hold together a good social life. It has been a nightmare at home a lot of the time and I have to acknowledge it could take some months or years yet for d to make a full recovery. But I know she can do so and I am confident that she now wants to recover, which is a crucial part of the process.
The Beat boards have been a life-line to me throughout this period and I hope that new users here find the help and support they need.
All the best, Jenny x
Posted on June 15, 2011 at 3:11 PM
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Immigiove
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Posted on July 23, 2011 at 2:32 PM
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yogahelps
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re: outpatient camhs so far but looking into private options now.
Hi there I. I'm glad my post was helpful. Just a little update here - my d has done a few weeks of the part time dp now and I really am feeling positive about where she is up to. I know that some of the therapies are very tough for her and we have seen the ana raise its ugly head and fight back a few times. D tells me she feels the body image therapy is the most helpful for her and she always seems much brighter on the day that's happened. But I am sure the other groups are challenging the ana head on in a different way so the combination of all of it seems to be helping her. Also she has meals at the edu and is being challenged by different foods and is already getting braver about what she will eat generally. It's a great shame that our camhs couldn't offer this sort of body image therapy or dp care but I fully recommend anyone who is offered it either via nhs or has the chance to try it privately (in our case funded by health insurance) then go for it. In our case the nearest nhs edu is really too far away for daycare even if it had been on offer. Timing is important though and I think d was ready for it now, in the holidays after GCSEs etc rather than having to persuade her to take time off school for it when exams were so important to her. Love to all Jenny x
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 1:31 PM
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yogahelps
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re: outpatient camhs so far but looking into private options now.
Hi everyone. I thought I might just update this in the hope it's useful. I've mentioned on other threads that we have decided to continue with the private counselling for d away from camhs. Having had a taste of the calibre of therapist available to my d privately vs the inexperienced, overstretched and very general therapists at our local camhs there is no doubt about we're making the right choice for d. Fortunately our health insurance will cover it weekly for some months before we have to pay ourselves. Certainly d is far more 'ready' for the hard work now so the timing, plus her seeing the right person for her, are crucial but this just wasn't working through camhs. Partly I wish we'd gone this route earlier but what with GCSEs and it needing d's commitment it probably wouldn't have worked much earlier. D now has to travel into London by train weekly to see the therapist but already she's reporting she's finding eating far easier now that certain family relationship issues are being tackled head on. These issues were not considered important by camhs but the private edu identified them as key whilst d was doing the daycare. I also think the travelling into London is a positive factor in itself; d is doing this for herself rather than being dragged into camhs by me. The other big difference is that d chose not to know her weight under this new regime on the condition that I don't know it either, so this is no longer a battleground between us but something the edu observe and will act on if necessary. This is something I had discussed a few times with camhs but they refused to change the weekly weighing and therapy routine, despite the fact that most of the therapy session was spent dealing with d's reaction to the number on the scales rather than the big picture of why this is a problem in the first place. So d is now seeing a one to one ED specialist therapist every week and we are going to start seeing a family therapist alongside this to deal with past and present family relationship issues. So right now d appears to be doing way better than she ever has in all aspects of her recovery. But I cannot stress enough that I know timing has a lot to do with it; having the GCSEs out of the way and giving d the opportunity to make her own mind up to get help through the daycare were key. Also d started to talk about other ana sufferers she knows from school and how she finds their ana behaviours extremely worrying and that she realises the behaviours are in fact dangerous and a great concern for friends and family. It has taken nearly 18 months for d to openly acknowledge this and I think that's pretty major. So we continue. Love to all of you. Jenny xx
Posted on September 26, 2011 at 9:35 AM
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yogahelps
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re: outpatient camhs so far but looking into private options now.
Hi everyone. Thought I'd update again as things have moved on significantly. D is currently doing very well and trying hard to cope with the fact she is now at a weight which means she's had a proper period for the first time all year. This is clearly still a struggle for her but she tells me she knows it's a sign she's doing well. Re treatment as such the big addition to the mix is the awesomely brilliant family therapist we are now seeing. The therapist very quicky identified the stresses of the dynamics between us all and is acting as our guru in terms of how we need to conduct ourselves for d's benefit and in turn for everyone's benefit. She is very much part of the process and agreeing ways forward in terms of communication, family activities, contact with her dad (he's been to sessions too) etc so that she as a young adult is IN CONTROL of her own life. Her control over all this is the key issue, particularly in terms of her time with her father. There is a way to go but it feels like we're on the right track at last. The person we are seeing does NHS and private work but sadly we can't access him on the NHS in our area, but my message to sufferers and carers is there are brilliant therapists out there so do you best to find the right one for your family. Best wishes to all. Love Jenny. x
Posted on November 11, 2011 at 11:00 AM
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marina
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re: outpatient camhs so far but looking into private options now.
Dear Jenny,
Our situation sounds so similar. Camhs have been very supportive to a point but she still comes away from all appointments hysterical. We are looking at private units..anything to help. I would love to know how you have found good therapists. I do not know where to turn and we don't have private insurance, but realise the nhs has limits.Camhs had her stop school, she was hospitalised for 17 days and we are determined to put some normality back into her very vacant life at home. She has given up ALL previous interests. She is gaining very slowly and back to pre-hospital days , negotiationg and trying to avoid as much as possible of the food plan. Home life is truly horrible for everyone. Tried diazepan for 8 days and am hoping the anxiety is due to being taken off 6mg a day dose? We really need to try something else as Camhs is not working.
Posted on December 25, 2011 at 4:26 PM
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ivktyr
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re: outpatient camhs so far but looking into private options now.
Marina,
It's up to Jenny to tell you where her d is being treated, but I do know the edu her d attends use the New Maudsley method. My d attended the Maudsley (who developed it) for her treatment (she is now discharged and doing very well). They do accept patients from outside their catchment area but funding would have to be provided by your NHS Trust, they also do some private work. The treatment which is very similar to what Jenny discribed worked very well for my d and for others we know.
re the drugs you said your d tried for 8 days? my understanding of the drugs my d used was that they needed something like 2 - 4 weeks before the effect really kicked in. My d was on them for nearly a year and was slowly weaned off
Posted on January 04, 2012 at 9:34 AM
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yogahelps
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re: outpatient camhs so far but looking into private options now.
Hi Marina and you too Steve. Marina really sorry to hear of your situation. I wonder where you live? We live within easy reach of London and my d is being treated at a private EDU in London currently as outpatient and she did some daypatient in the summer holidays. They have an adolescent unit as well as an adult unit and it is part of a larger hospital dealing with addictions also. I found it by googling, called up admissions for a chat, made an initial appointment with a consultant after which they invited us to look around and meet the head of the unit before deciding to switch care. This was all done by referral by our GP at my request as you have to have a GP referral in the first place. I hope that is enough useful clues as I stop short of naming therapists and hospital because my d would be mortified to be easily identified! The therapist she sees individually and the family therapist we are seeing were both recommended by the consultant at the EDU. Interestingly the family therapist does NHS work at the Maudsley also but we were unable to get NHS funding for the Maudsley, although to be honest we took the quick route with the medical insurance which has now run out for the outpatient part... The fact is I would mortgage my soul if necessary to get the right treatment and I am now just grateful for the access to this calibre of therapist. My d is making great progress although I can foresee the private therapy being needed for some time to come and it is not cheap. I wish you all the best. xx
Posted on January 12, 2012 at 7:18 PM
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marina
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re: outpatient camhs so far but looking into private options now.
Thank you for all those ideas. I'll get googling and phoning! D has been cutting back and exercising more so losing wt every week. Camhs try and impress the risks and severity, they threaten to take her out of school again.but she just doesn't care. She is about to sit mock GCSEs and maybe the timing for wanting to get better is all wrong. Diazepan is a tranquilliser hence Camhs reluctance to let her take it for more than 8 days. She is now in her 3rd wk of Prozac and we are waiting for it to take effect..and hopefully leave her less depressed.
Posted on January 24, 2012 at 9:21 PM
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yogahelps
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re: outpatient camhs so far but looking into private options now.
Good luck Marina! At the start of this I spoke to three different fairly local private hospitals (not the one we eventually went to actually; I found that one later on as it isn't that close to us) and got calls from their consultants all of whom gave me great advice on how to deal with the immediate situation even though we didn't make appointments with them. Some only deal with adults which narrows it down anyway. So speak to as many people as you can, including the Beat helpline. If you want to start another thread where I and others can answer any of your specific questions as you go along, feel free. Jenny x
Posted on January 26, 2012 at 10:36 AM
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ivktyr
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re: outpatient camhs so far but looking into private options now.
Marina,
you need to try and stop the exercising (not easy I know). Is your d still doing PE at school? that was one of the first things the edu stopped my d doing. We also picked her up and took her to school as she had started getting off the bus before she should have done just to get in the extra excercise. The school also arranged for her to spend breaks in a room with her friends partly to stop her excercising during the break.
Posted on January 27, 2012 at 9:24 AM
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Rocky2405
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re: outpatient camhs so far but looking into private options now.
Hi
Just thought I would share my experience of NHS v Private care.
My son was 14 when he was diagnosed with Anorexia and for a period of 6 weeks was "treated" by our local CAMHS service (one hour per week). This had a similar effect as others which left him hysterical after each session. He was admitted to our local childrens ward and for 10 days was not seen by anyone other than the general ward doctors who could do nothing for him other than medicate for the violent mood swings. Until this time he was a quiet and non violent person.
After much arguing and discussions with his CAMHS worker (and also some detective work by a family member with connections in the private sector)we were finally given a place at a private sector facility funded by our local NSH Trust.
The care and set up at the private facility was fantastic. It involved the "everyday" routine things like school, but also involved group and individual therapy, art therapy etc. They took them out to eat to show them how to make the right choices.
They had weekly sessions with dieticians, and also were allowed to cook!
The main difference between private and NHS is that the NHS have stretched resources and are also not dealing only with eating disorders and have even admitted to me that they do not necessarily know how to handle some sufferers which is sad.
After 6 months of inpatient care he was discharged back into the care of CAMHS which to be honest was not the best transition - as we were reduced to once every 2 weeks then once per month quite quickly. 12 months after discharge from the inpatient we were discharged from CAMHS and now only have to see our local GP for med checks. This has been a long journey but there is a positive side.
My son is currently studying for his GCSE's at the correct time despite missing 6 months of school, has already passed some exams, and is also making future plans - secured his place as 6th form already.
It can be done with the right help and support.
If you can find a good therapist it makes all the difference as they can get to the root of the problem and treat it.
Sorry for the long post but now feel strong enough and in a position to help others in a similar position.
Julie
Posted on February 14, 2012 at 2:51 PM
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yogahelps
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re: outpatient camhs so far but looking into private options now.
Hi everyone. Gosh time flies so I thought I would update on our progress in case it’s helpful to anyone. D continues with weekly one to one psychotherapy with a highly experienced eating disorder specialist and we have done several more family sessions. This is all as outpatient at a private edu. Where we are now really is that we are all living in a much calmer fashion with d’s ongoing but slowly improving anorexia. Her weight is pretty steady but dips occasionally so her periods are still not regular. I think she is still finding the period thing hard although she accepts it’s necessary for general health and she is still petrified of putting on weight although things are improving all the time in many small ways such as variety of food and eating out in new places. I have learned not to hover over her every move and to let her fend for herself at mealtimes regularly. We are now able to leave her at home on her own overnight or let her go away with friends for a few days without my feeling compelled to text to to ask what she has eaten. That has been a huge step for me and has brought my h and I back very closely together now we have found time for ‘us’ again. Our biggest hope, apart from full recovery of course, is that she will be able to cope with leaving home to go to uni in the next couple of years. So we are all doing way better but accepting that this thing could be in our lives for many months to come before d is fully recovered. It’s been 2 years since we found out about the ana and d has grown into a young woman of nearly 17 years in that time and I’m grateful for the family therapy we’ve had which has helped me to come to terms with that and to treat her like a young adult instead of a sick child. And so we keep on keeping on and although progress is very slow it is steady and we are in a very different place to a few months ago. Love to all. Jenny x
Posted on March 10, 2012 at 5:08 PM
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scaredmum
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re: outpatient camhs so far but looking into private options now.
hi, it's been three months since i first found this site and posted. we have been dealing with cahms, who initially seemed to be very focused, but gradually things have deteriorated, to the point that they see us weekly but now do not have time to speak with me. my daughter is nearly seventeen and although has given permission for me to discuss this with them and they with me, for the past few weeks this has not happened. unfortunately they had to this week, it's sad that before you feel anything of value is being done you have to reach the very cesspit of hades before help is offered. not that i personally feel any better. after speaking together to the therapist, we were then driven to another unit to see a psychiatrist, where my child sat and told her how much she hates and despises me. basically because i had made her admit the true horror of her illness instead of her watercolour version they have chosen to believe for the past months. thankfully this psychiatrist can see we cannot cope. i have been left to deal with ninety nine percent of the caring. due to living in a remote area treatment has been a once weekly visit which incurs a six hour round trip journey. the geographical barriers alone have never been addressed. i feel they have left me with very little support and are only acting now as i am physically and mentally ready for hospital myself.my advice to anyone dealing with the overstretched cahms system is yap. constantly, tell them you want your conversation recorded and let them know you also are recording it for your own purposes or you can tend to be ignored. it is sad that it has to come to the point of behaving in this manner before action is taken, but hopefully my daughter will start to get some decent treatment. she is now being referred to a special unit for adolescents, and will get treatment twentyfour seven, if she is given a place.i am still amazed at the fact these therapists have spent the past few months believing a sick child rather than take time to listen to me. hopefully now we are on the road to some form of recovery. all this is dependant on getting a place in this unit, and still i am not pinning my hopes on this, with very limited spaces i can only feel for the mother with all my heart but do think there are others more needy than my child. it's the only way i can focus as i feel if i think my daughter is finally getting help it will be snatched from me, better to think the worst and not be dissapointed.
Posted on April 10, 2012 at 7:39 PM
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yogahelps
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re: outpatient camhs so far but looking into private options now.
Hi everybody. Thought I'd update here as there has been some change to d's treatment plan which is worth noting. D struggled again earlier in the summer around her exam time and so we had a consultation at the edu (d is outpatient at a private edu) where this time d agreed for the first time ever to work with the dietician. Previously she had refused to engage with the camhs dietician and after a year at camhs we switched to private in order to access more expert and specialist help. We also got back into family therapy again and d continues with her weekly one to ones with the psychiatrist. So right now we have all guns blazing again in terms of outpatient care and d is making great progress again. Over 2 years into this I no longer expect my d to break any recovery records and have learnt to accept this journey is a long one but I am grateful for the support we are able to access and we are in a very different place to a year ago with d leading a full teenage life, partying, boyfriend, eating out regularly, coping on holidays, coping alone at home when we go away etc. She may still be months or years off full recovery but we are way more confident that she can lead a life but I feel she will need support for some time to come. Hang in there everyone and push for all the support you can get. Love Jenny x
Posted on August 15, 2012 at 7:18 AM
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yogahelps
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re: outpatient camhs so far but looking into private options now.
Me again... having re-read this I realise I could have expanded on the benefits of d working with the dietician. The main aim is to support d to slowly restore weight to a point where her period is regular but all with the confidence that the weight will not go on so fast as to be too scary for d. The gain is very slow but steady so far and d appears to be coping with it although I know she sometimes finds it hard to stick to the plan. She is weighed by the dietician although d doesn't get told the weight (d's choice). The dietician is helping her also to be more confident about choosing from restaurant menus and or choosing alternative snacks when she's out and feeling more confident about portion sizes when at friends' houses etc. To me this is a massive step towards independence and coping away from home in the future, even though she may be anorexic in her thinking for some time. As I said it has taken over 2 years for d to be brave enough to do this so I'm very impressed with my d for taking the step! Love Jenny x
Posted on August 16, 2012 at 11:48 AM
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